http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Halls-of-Atlantis/
Hello everyone again,
This is the only place and occasion where you will find a direct response of any kind to the latest (News) report from Andrew Collins. Our work continues unabated in the background and will provide its own validation. We have no desire nor need to be dragged into the manoeuvering taking place on the grounds of STS, ego, politics or for any other reason; but the latest personal nonsense from Andrew Collins cannot be allowed to go completely unchallenged. It is out of the respect for the HOA board and the interest of its correspondents that I am writing this now.
Paul (thank you) ...You got it 100% right!
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It's a political statement. Collins had some dealings with Richard Gabriel and with Bill Brown (I set him up with Bill last year so that they could share research) and now he wishes to distance himself from them so that he can stay in good graces with the authorities and be privy to any special research and investigations going on or under the Plateau. He exonerated the ARE in this statement because they paid for one of his research trips to Giza and published his last book which he took the opportunity to plug again in this statement. So if his words seem slanted or partisan, it's because they are.
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Give me a break! Did Hawass buy him out or what? You really believe that crap about the red bull thing? So basically he called Brooks Agnew a liar?
I didn't buy Collins explanation to begin with, and I still don't.
I think he was paid or scared away from it...
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There are several things I can tell you... like for example that there was a wealth of private Mail correspondence between Bill and Andrew, after Andrew's (News) article, where Bill reminded Andrew, with dated attached documentation - of their contact together many years ago, and where Bill was able to demonstrate clearly his interest in the HC2 area, (from the pathway of his own early Geomatrix research.) Bill's research dated from 2003, and in the field from 2004 indicating an axial shift around 10500BC. He discussed this personally with Robert Bauval prior to Robert's book on the Orion alignments to the pyramids.
Bill proposed a stellar alignment with the Temple doors, with an exact hit of Vega at the GP; the Heart of the Dragon at Khafre; and with Polaris at Menkaure. The major star of Ursa Major fell to HC2 and placed Cygnus on to the sphinx, and its `cross' alignment East/West ironically with its East star over the controversial new shaft excavation near the sphinx on April 28th.
The Geomatrix alignments in fact are less about surface fix points, and more about plotting the energy grids and the underground entrances. Even at such an early stage in the work, the blueprint yielded a direct hit on HC2 and another direct hit on the cemetery Well among other exact points such as the site of the village deaths. These locations were still waiting for their turn to be explored, but their potential significance had been highlighted by the Blueprint.
(Further major announcements are in the pipeline soon from more detailed findings.)
In the private correspondence Andrew tried to backpedal and rewrite the records but Bill has dated, documented evidence to prove his position, and wished to persuade Andrew privately to do the honorable thing and retract. He will clearly do no such thing.
In the (News) article, Andrew is guilty of blatant distortions such as... The explosion heard was not in the night as he sneeringly dismisses. As he knows... and as we documented, it was in the daytime at 10.00am precisely next morning.
One of the witnesses to the explosion, and who was in attendance to the overnight film of the snatch-and-grab activity, was one of the most highly respected members of the Nazlet community. He is personally known to both Bill and Andrew. Bill invited Andrew to telephone him and he would have confirmed to him that the explosion actually rattled the windows of nearby houses. Andrew inexplicably however made extensive enquiries elsewhere to one person whom we believe was not even in Egypt at the time, and based his article on this ARE member feedback.
Andrew reported I attended his previous conference. That much is true. However, based on the one only section I attended, and on the opinion I formed from the few minutes chat with Andrew in the break, I opted to not bother with the rest of the event and departed. In the chat, I formed the opinion that Andrew was more interested to probe what information was appearing out of the liaison of myself and Judith with Bill and Lucyna. Collectively from the start, we have stated our strongest desire for all partisan barriers to be torn down, so that everyone's work could combine to bring out the truth. My visit to the conference was made in this spirit, but it was patently obvious that there would be no meaningful reciprocation.
Andrew's derision of Bill's work and the GPR scans he was involved in
and their results
was particularly shocking. Bills involvement with the GPR work has been extensive and has cost him personally hundreds of thousands of $$. The equipment used has been highly sophisticated and the results analysed independently by experts in the USA. There is no disputing their findings of huge tunnel networks, cavities, shafts, hoards, and devices below ground. It may suit the motivations of AC to leave people with the impression that they are just insignificant pretty pictures, but he will eat his words in due course. Our site/s contain extensive material on the equipment and the findings already, and there will soon be 3d interpretations.
As to the actual (Cave of the Birds.) Andrew's (news) article barely restricts the steam coming from Andrew's ears. It is such a pity because if Andrew had restrained himself so quickly after his visit from publishing their poses in the cave and attacking Zahi, then perhaps he and others including ourselves, may have been able to quietly and later return there for more un-invasive recording and exploring. As it was... the early release of the (News) by Andrew, stirred a virtual hornet's nest of activity, and forced us to make the difficult decision to release our pictures (with no initial comment) -earlier than we ever would have done! Andrew's continued prodding resulted in the Iron grills that are there now - and of course the covert excavation of the system which is taking place.
It seems the only decent public records of the untouched contents of the caves are the galleries of pics we published ourselves.
However we are puzzled at another aspect:
When we released the galleries of the pics we took in there, we were very careful initially to not even confirm they came from HC2, and certainly not to use them to publish sensational writings on the back of them. Andrew contacted me soon after he saw them and tried to elicit as much information from me as he could about them. Every scrap of information I gave innocently he wove into his own subsequent (News) articles.
During those conversations, Andrew claimed to me on at least two occasions that he had taken hundreds of pictures down there himself. However he asked in the meantime if he could use a few of the best informative pics from our galleries on his own site. In the spirit of cooperation as I earlier mentioned, I agreed.... but asked simply for reciprocal back-reference to our site. Now we find those pics are being banded all over the web, and the leading commentator of derision to our visit there to gather the evidence is Andrew Collins. You can imagine therefore that I puzzled over why he has never published anything but his few posed pics in the caves, alongside our own pics and a few pics supplied to him by his friend Larry Hunter! What happened to the hundreds of pics he alleges he took himself?
Obviously, any knowledge to be derived from or about the caves or what they lead to, does not belong exclusively to Andrew or the authorities
or to (Plebs) like us, as the tone of his (News) report would suggest. Indeed we would agree that such understanding and knowledge belongs to us all; but neither should it be used for turncoat manoeuvering. To do so only creates the mess of confusion in people's minds such as has happened as a result.
A helluva lot more could be said, and I have said a helluva lot more than I ever wanted to be drawn into saying
. But from this point on, we will just let the hard evidence speak for itself. We credit the public with a whole lot more intelligence than from some quarters, and even if our domestic finances and situations prevent us from delivering what we have as fast as everyone would like, at least we know we will be hitting it right on the nail when we do so.
The greatest shame of all this is that Andrew Collins undisputedly has an incisive and sharp academic brain and has the ability to deliver excellent research reports as we have seen in many of his articles. These reports are part of the process towards the truth of understanding. Why the hell then taint credibility by provoking responses to personal attacks for the sake of favour in the wrong places. The only real loser is the Truth.
Andrew has had his say
. I have exercised right of reply
. Now please, can we get back to exploring and debating the actual evidence?
Blessings
Richard.
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Andrew did not respond directly, but on his behalf, this post appeared.
From Greg Little of the A.R.E.
Re: To Andrew and Richard
Hi all. Andrew isn't a member here, and a lot of this controversy, if not all, is much about nothing.
The facts are all quite clear, and as several people know here, I was involved in the cave entry from the start as the ARE "go between" and a bit more. Yes, several of Andrew's trips to Egypt were funded by the ARE. It came about because of 2 factors. Some of "us" were curious about his Cygnus-at-Giza overlay and
what was under the "other" stars. And when he and his colleague came up with the memoirs of Salt and had a possible entry point, it was the impetus of the ARE funding. Yes, Zahi and Mark Lerner have early career links to the ARE. Yes, Andrew does not want to raise the ire of Zahi.
The first time he entered he sent a few dozen photos to me while he was there and after his second trip I was sent CDs with several hundred photos. But the "snake-like" formation wasn't seen by him there and he had no photo like it, so that was one big interest in Gabriel's photos. (Andrew sees significance to the
snake idea, I'm less focused on it.) Gabriel's photos however showed that work had been done excavating and clearing debris and sand from the tomb and system. THAT was why Andrew has been interested in the photos. He wanted to know what the Egyptian excavators had been doing. But all of Andrew's photos will be seen in a documentary that should be out sometime in early 2011.
I have seen all of the correspondence between Andrew & Gabriel/Brown. I know that Brown and Gabriel say they sort of knew it (the cave system) was there and there are Giza shots/illustrations with numerous circles, dots, overlays, and drawings on them they have posted on the website or sent to Andy. When I say "numerous" dots I mean hundreds. As happened when Andrew showed Giza was aligned with Cygnus--but there were 2 stars that he had not investigated, the important thing as I see it is that all of the important spots, alignments, and overlays Gabriel/Brown propose should be fully investigated and there should be something
of real consequence at each on--if their alignments are genuine.
As to the rest, I know Andrew did all he could to try to find out exactly what had transpired at Giza regarding the "explosion" and supposed excavation at the Sphinx. He reported what we found out and was told. And I know that nothing whatsoever of significance has been reported to anyone who works for the ARE
regarding the discovery of anything that was from Atlantis or from a chamber under or around the Sphinx...but I wish it had been.
This is all pretty simple to me, and I just cannot follow the logic and assertions that Gabriel and Brown have made on their website. I personally try to see simple solutions and don't buy the hundreds of dots idea until a bit of proof comes out on them. But they are certainly free to post it. I have no idea
what the ultimate effect will be.
The only thing I know is that as far as the evidence shows, Andrew and his colleagues traced the records from Salt and hunted for the entrance and found it. They entered a dark cave system and photographed it. They were the first people to enter and record it after Salt...except for perhaps looters. After a long delay the book was published and some of the color photos were included. (I argued at the time that more than 100 photos should have gone into the bookbut because printing them all in color would have skyrocketed the cost--and putting them al in in B/W would have also added a lot of pages and cost--they decided to
not do it.) After Andrew's book came out and after his talks, Richard went into the caves and subsequently posted photos on his website giving no information as to when or where...which started the controversy. Richard appears to say that he and Brown knew the tomb and entrance point but for some reason didn't go there until after Andrew's book came out. Maybe it wasn't seen as important, maybe
that is not the case...I personally don't know and it doesn't really matter.
Whatever anyone thinks or speculates here, it is important that people see Andrew for what he is. He is a very independent thinker who puts out his conclusions in an honest and straightforward manner. He is no one's puppet. Read all that he has written about the ARE and Cayce to understand that. Of course he
doesnt want to get Hawass angry, but he still writes what he believes. Last, the ARE's big focus is NOT Egypt right now. It is Bimini, and a lot of things have been done and are about to be.
I know that Andrew has done all that he can at the moment at Giza and hope that Brown and Gabriel will go there and investigate their alignments. Meanwhile Andrew is supposed to be busy writing a book with me and finishing up the documentary that goes with it, as well as finishing the Giza-caves documentary.
Dr Greg Little
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Despite the fact that Bill had responded adequately and privately to Andrew Collins... with copies of proof documents which verified his interest in an underground entrance in the area of NC2 years ago, these replies (which should have balanced any egoistic or political issues motivating Andrew to attack us ...aparrently had no effect.
The post from Greg Little on the HOA group site was forwarded to Bill by a friend. Bill wrote back to the sender.
HELLO [.......] Reference your email..... and my point of order
Quote: from the Dr Greg Little letter: .....
"I have seen all of the correspondence between Andrew & Gabriel/Brown. I know that Brown and Gabriel say they sort of knew it (the cave system) was there and there are Giza shots/illustrations with numerous circles, dots, overlays, and drawings on them they have posted on the website or sent to Andy. When I say "numerous" dots I mean hundreds. As happened when Andrew showed Giza was aligned with Cygnus--but there were 2 stars that he had not investigated, the important thing as I see it is that all of the important spots, alignments, and overlays Gabriel/Brown propose should be fully investigated and there should be something of real consequence at each on--if their alignments are genuine."....Dr Greg Little : end Quote.
Hello [.....] ,
Thanks for forwarding this email. I quoted from the letter of Greg Little above with good purpose
I do not follow along, read or participate in chat lines (i.e. HOA) and thus have little to say to anyone. Richard indicated to me he felt a personal attack from Andrew though I requested we stay clear of arguments, etc. but Richard chose to respond via my comments.
(Otherwise Andrew writes privately to me expressing himself, and that is fine if he wants to express himself in that way, and I likewise respond if I feel moved to do so. )
I ultimately wrote back after Andrewss last website notes and attempted to show only that I had tracked a pattern of the night sky that indicated the location of the entrance to the cave site in discussion back in 2007 and Richard was following up on my research. It was the original blueprint of study that was later re-aligned to meet present day conditions, i.e. the shifting of the Heart of the Dragon to another field location.
Why? because of the Earth Shift / Tilt Alignment!
My research and work at Giza has been a personal journey as a seeker of Truth and what it all means today.
So
in an attempt to answer the statement of Greg concerning his point of order:
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"As happened when Andrew showed Giza was aligned with Cygnus--but there were 2 stars that he had not investigated, the important thing as I see it is that all of the important spots, alignments, and overlays Gabriel/Brown propose should be fully investigated and there should be something of real consequence at each on--if their alignments are genuine."....
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In order to do this I would like to make the following statement to how my research entails a 'theory' relating ancient times:
It explains how geometry and astronomy combined with mathematics and was used by an ancient culture to build and align awesome structures such as Temples and tombs, etc with no previous (accepted) evidence or source from which such knowledge was drawn.
For example, present day Egyptology does not recognize astrology or the fact othat any knowledge of the PRECESSION was even known by the early Egyptians.
In the next viewing / opening page of our website (new server) I will define why hundreds of dots are used to denote a specific blueprint on the ground matching not just a single star, or a small group of stars, i.e. (constellations) I will describe the alignment theory highlighting ancient knowledge of the 'Precession of the Equinox. This is a knowledge that would have taken thousands of years to accumulate and is referred to by me as the 'Holes' of Record!
THE GIZA GEOMATRIX ....IS A 'NAME' GIVEN TO THE 'BLUEPRINT' WHICH USES STAR 'GEOMETRIES' LAID TO GROUND TO MARK THE "LOCATION OF ENTRANCES" TO EITHER SIGNIFICANT ANCIENT UNDERGROUND STORAGE SITES OR "ENTRANCES" INTO THE VAST UNDERGROUND FACILITY BUILT BY THE ANCIENTS.
THE BLUEPRINT WAS FIXED TO A SPECIFIC STELLAR TIME IN HISTORY WHICH ENABLED A 'TIME' CLOCK TO BE CONSTRUCTED WHICH IN TURN ALLOWS AN EXAMINATION OF THE REPEATING LIFE CYCLES OF OUR EXISTENCE ON THIS PLANET.
http://www.gizamap.com
It is called A STELLAR BLUEPRINT to denote the star to ground relationship in locations having either an entrance to a storage site; a Temple or Tomb... OR as an entrance to the DUAT,.....a spirit to Eternal Home from whence we came... and in the case of a Pharaoh... the Imperishable Star Field!
The date used from my research is defined thus:
April 26, 4493 BC denoting the moment of the Spring Solstice when the celestial energies shifted out of Gemini (TWINS) into Taurus (THE BULL).
In either case the challenging question is to determine the origin of their knowledge of it!
The alignments have been verified to indicate significant underground anomalies either by GPR or excavation or other methods including eye witness.
In the case of the CAVE Entrance of the Birds, the alignment was exactly denoted by the
Constellation: URSA MAJOR, star point Benetnash. Do you suppose that was just a coincidence?
FACT: This star chart of reference developed in early 2005-updated 2007 was announced by my TEMPLE DOOR THEORY (my personal adjustments to Bavaul/Avry Wilson theory)
and not just by the April 26, 4493 BC configuration. (See attachment of specific star chart verified in early 2007 before I knew of the work location/entrance of Andrew Collins.... cave!)
That was my only point of order with Andrew, and I reminded him privately of the fact; but he continues to argue I knew nothing of the site location until his book became public!
The 4493 BC date is used to pinpoint a multiple, recurring, catastrophic scenario of events.
It agrees also with the 'Message of the Calendar,'
the work of the writer: Vladimir Pakhomov http://pakhomov.com/
Using this authors image of the EYE OF RA Celestial Night Sky...Specifically Draconis (as the TIME CLOCK invisible north circumpolar star, set above the horizon diagram (enclosed) looking from East to West,) and as the individual Constellation of that time period,
Its multiple star points match perfectly, certain ground features of great importance now becoming public debate! Here are some examples.
(1)... The April 28th shaft in front of the Sphinx,
(2)... The Sept 2009 illegal excavation shaft,
(3)... And also for a future point of order...
The exact location of the artesian well of the cemetery of the Crow!
(4)... Also, the direction of the Dragon is fixed to the ground at the Great Pyramid satellite
pyramid. Everything is set to that scale from that point of reference.
(It is hoped that Andrew Collins will not also try and take credit for identification of the Cemetery Well coincidence!)
The issue that has great importance is the center point of the HEART of the Dragon, as well as other star points along the way. Set to scale, all other star to ground points align with significant order.
Was it the blueprint used by the scribes? More evidence shows this might be the case.
Other star-to-ground points are verified from both constellations of Ursa Major and Ursa Minor (see Big Map attachment) for more aerial coincidences. Over 5 years of field study, these star-to-ground points have all been verified as exact matches using GPR references and other methods mentioned.
How many points have to align to make a sample case study?
Well, every major star of Ursa Minor fills those criteria.
ALL WERE GPR VERIFIED in February 2006!
This information will be outlined in the new (server) website very soon.
So how many individual stars referenced in ancient texts appear to match significant points?
The answer is
lots!
Dubhe pinpoints the exact underground temple door of the undiscovered Khufu Valley Palace Courtyard.
Kochab denotes the rump of the Sphinx. (the same spot highlighted by Denebola by others!)
Thuban yields the April 28th 2010 Shaft in front of the sphinx
These mapped multiple star points are a celestial 'HOLES' OF RECORD CHART which offers a message of immense importance. I am only a seeker of the knowledge to be deciphered from these hot-spots from the stars, and they keep coming and coming.
I hope to complete a 5 year GPS study report soon where the plotted locations have been accurately run against a computer celestial map simulation. This will give the final vindication. Until now from my desk research I have calculated everything taking streams of overlays one at a time to work from the internet.
The field work was then necessary over many years to test my theory on the ground.
The real question will be to determine how close or accurate the Egyptian scribes were; where their knowledge really came from; if it was inherited, or was it just from clever field work of their own at night?
If the equation of a celestial MAP through a 26,000 year cycle is to demonstrate any degree of accuracy in the way suggested, then the placement of the final structures on the ground that would fix their moment in time, must be as surely accurate.
(see also my (Three Circles Circling) attachment to illustrate how the formula for the Precession Equation was derived, and how it was scaled in relationship to the Temple Door Entrances)
Herein is the message of my website!
Again thanks for the interest and support!
Now Andrew has again posted a (News Item) on his website referring to the (re~flooded) shaft near the sphinx and further critique of ourselves. Here is the cursory response I printed on our main page :
The overnight Snatch-and Grab story on the Plateau is now archived to this page LINK
Well well well!! Now it is reported there 'were' sarcophogi removed from the (100ft?) shaft opened for work while a huge media sports event was played out almost above it! Official and unofficial scans show it is linked into the vast underground tunnel system too. Now it is reported and shown in pics that the shaft is flooded to above ground again.
(See Andrew Collins site where a guard also reported....
' that they have pulled out a few mummies.')
Do you really think that after spending weeks if not months of pumping millions of gallons of water from the ground to give access to such an amazing find with the promise of more, that the shaft accidentally filled to overflowing with water again as the workers went for a tea break!! Do they really think the public is so completely stupid to believe it? And by the way... we have had no reported sightings of those important mummies being transported away... except perhaps from 'us' with the overnight Snatch and Grab story above, with very respected local confirmations of the 10.00am next day underground explosion. Abandon integrity by all means, but at least use better imagination!
As Bill has stated, our work will be fully elaborated, with descriptions, evidences and more experiential facts in due course. We do not have the luxury of support revenue from other sources, to give us free time and range to deliver it all immediately. But it will be delivered as our time and budget allows. Very soon a new server will allow speedy access to updated material, and in due course this will lead to the 3d interactive version when all ongoing work will be delivered.
I started this page by describing a few of the locations where Judith and I were taken to explore and learn; and where we had no idea of the consequences from our visits to these special sites. Generally as we continue on our private journey to try and fulfill whatever purpose we are meant to serve, there is no prior planning to the fact that we are continually placed at the locations which are central to the whole puzzle of the Giza Plateau.
Our motivation was never to end up as the victims of sneers from Andrew Collins! The story and its implications for us all is too big to be contained within the bubble of someone's ego or the bubble of political or private self interest. Messengers don't actually give a hoot for themselves to be in the centre of the message frame. It is the very reason for example why you won't see any of the pictures of 'ourselves' in our pics offering evidence inside the NC2 caverns.
Andrew may choose to continue using deceitful suggestions and manipulated inaccuracies for reasons of his own choosing in further (news) reports attacking us. That is as he may wish. But time will sort out the true from the false, and deceit has a habit of coming full circle to bite the arse of its deliverer!
Blessings
Richard and Judith